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Post by Steve on Aug 20, 2004 12:17:54 GMT -5
I can't say for sure, but I don't see why that would not be possible - it should just be a matter of getting the data routing correct. You have already established the bluetooth connection from the iPaq to your PC - the iPaq will have onboard bluetooth eh, and the Belkin USB adapter will be for the PC (says he, thinking aloud). Okay well I don't know what the browser in the iPaq consists of and what options it may have. You see, the iPaq isn't accessing the internet directly - it will be using your PC as a 'proxy' server, so maybe you will have to tell it the IP address of your PC and tell it to use that as a proxy but I'm not sure.
If it isn't that, then it's likely to be a port problem, and you may need to tell the iPaq somehow (I don't know how yet) which port to use on your PC for its internet connection.
I'm sure it will turn out to be a data routing problem but I don't know what exactly because I've never used an iPaq. I use sophisticated kit at work, but you're light years ahead of me when it comes to home computing - my system is so primitive you wouldn't believe it.
Can you tell me at which point you're getting stuck, and also if the iPaq browser has configuration options, similar to Tools - Internet Options in Internet Explorer?
I'm not likely to be around much this evening but if you leave a reply when you have a minute, I'll be able to have a think about it.
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Post by Spy_Master on Aug 20, 2004 13:55:00 GMT -5
what is a proxy server, there was an option 2 use that but I didn't understand what it was, so I haven't tried it, I'll have a whack at it 2morrow, it's 2 late now 4 me, I can't think straight. Thanks Steve Spy_Master100880
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Post by Steve on Aug 22, 2004 11:42:13 GMT -5
To use another computer as a proxy server means to make a connection via that computer, instead of connecting directly. In order to do that, it's necessary to specify the IP address and port number of the remote computer, and then route your data via that computer. That assumes that the remote computer is configured to act as a server, which is another story altogether. Now this could all get very complicated so we'll have to take it a step at a time - and even then I'm not sure we're on the right track because I've never used an iPaq.
Okay so the first thing you will need to do is identify your IP address on your main PC (which will be the proxy server). The way to find that is via an MS-DOS prompt, and I'm not sure how familiar you are with DOS so I'll take it step by step. Oh and you won't even have an IP address assigned until you are connected to the internet, so connect to the internet first.
1. Go to Start - Run and then type cmd in the dialog box which appears (if cmd doesn't work, then type command instead). 2. An MS-DOS window will now open which looks like this (Steve powers up his super-duper laptop to see what a DOS prompt looks like in XP, just in case it's changed from 98). Okay it looks much the same as here in 98 so I'll take the screen captures from 98. You will see that my prompt has opened by default in the directory C:\Windows\Desktop - yours may open in the root directory c:\ but it doesn't really matter where you are for this because it will still work.
So you have a prompt with a blinking cursor and the next thing to do is to type ipconfig - like this:
Now hit Return and you will see your IP address listed, like this:
Take a note of your IP address and then you can type exit and then press Return to close the DOS window, like this:
The IP address which you just obtained is known as your Private IP address but you will also have a different (Public) IP address and you can find out what that is by visiting this page . Take a note of the IP address which appears. I think you will only need the private one which you obtained via the DOS prompt, but you may need the public one later and it only took a couple of seconds to obtain eh.
Okay so when your iPaq asks do you want to use a proxy server to make the connection then you are now in a position to specify an IP address (the private one) but you will also need to specify a port number.
The standard format for specifying IP address and port number together is to separate the IP address from the port number with a colon (no spaces), like this:
62.25.148.253:6588
So that is IP address 62.25.148.253 and port number 6588
Port 6588 seems a likely candidate so I would try that one but I'll have a think about whether you might need to use a different port.
Right, now the next thing to do is to establish whether you have IP connectivity between the two machines and the way to do that is by using the Ping command (run from the DOS prompt once again), but I'll put that into a separate post to avoid confusing things.
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Post by Steve on Aug 22, 2004 12:52:31 GMT -5
So, moving on to checking for IP connectivity. The standard way to check for connectivity over a TCP/IP network is by using the Ping command. It's easy enough - just open a DOS prompt, type in ping followed by a space and then the IP address. If you have a connection then it will ping a few times and show the time taken for the round trip (there and back) in milliseconds (mS). I'll ping the BBC and show you how that works but first I'll need to get the BBC's IP address. I have some software here where I enter the name of a website, in this case www.bbc.co.uk and it gives me the IP address which that corresponds to. The BBC's address is 212.58.224.81 so now I'm going to ping that and see if I can reach them from here.
1. Open a DOS window - Start - Run - type cmd (or command) in the dialog box.
You now have a DOS prompt:
2. Now type ping then a space and then the IP address
3. Now hit the return key and your computer will ping the IP address four or five times and it will list the results as it is doing that - Zone Alarm will intervene and ask if you want the program TCP/IP Ping to access the internet - it's ok to let it through, and you will see a result like this:
So I have just proved that my internet connection is working and I can access the internet and then beyond that, I can access the BBC webserver.
Now, the point of all that is that you will need to do something similar from your iPaq - i.e. ping through to the private IP address on your main PC - you will need to prove IP connectivity between the two before you can even think about using the main PC as a proxy, and that is the standard way to do it. And of course, I'm assuming you can obtain a DOS prompt on the iPaq.
Okay well that is IP addresses and establishing connectivity via the ping command, but now I'm thinking that you may need to install some proxy server software on your main PC. I run proxy software here but I use it for a different purpose so I'll need to have a think about it. I did mention that it could start to get a bit complicated eh. Oh and let me know if you don't follow any of that, and bear in mind that I have no idea what the iPaq operating system and interface even look like, so I'm working in the dark here on that side of things.
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Post by Steve on Aug 22, 2004 15:55:08 GMT -5
I routinely use other computers around the world as proxies, and connect to them from here at home using proxy software, so I'm quite familiar with that, but what you're trying to do is different - because you want to set up your own proxy server locally and then also connect to it - that I'm not so familiar with.
Here's a page which talks about doing just that though - although it is assuming two standard PCs - there's no mention of the likes of an iPaq and Bluetooth but then you wouldn't really be expecting that eh. The link is:
www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/analogx.htm
You will also see a link there across to the AnalogX website, where you can download the program. According to that article, you don't need to use either your private or public IP address, but rather use a special IP of 192.168.0.1 - used for private networking - I'm not familiar with that address but I'll look into it tomorrow.
If you've spent some time checking out your private and public IP addresses, well you may not need them, but it isn't time wasted because now you will know how to do that in the future, because it's sometimes useful to know.
So that article pretty much explains how to configure your main PC as a proxy server using AnalogX Proxy, and then you should just need to tell the iPaq to use that IP address and port number as a proxy. If you can find a way to ping from the iPaq then you should be able to test for a connection by pinging 192.168.0.1 once it has been set-up.
One last thing - either make a note or take screen captures of your internet and LAN settings on your main PC before you make any changes - that way you can restore them to what they were before, if necessary.
Plenty to be getting on with there eh, let me know if you have any questions.
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2004 5:09:14 GMT -5
Here's something else to read - it's a Belkin pdf 'Internet Connection Sharing with your Pocket PC over Bluetooth' - well worth reading. I'm not sure about step 4 though - the document follows the LAN route - you would use that at school because the computers there will be connected to the school LAN, but at home I think you would need to use Connect via a dial-up device etc.
Link: web.belkin.com/support/download/files/IPAQ%20ICS.pdf
And this is the page which it came from: davesipaq.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3315
Right, back to work now.
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2004 5:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by Spy_Master on Aug 24, 2004 11:40:16 GMT -5
So, moving on to checking for IP connectivity. The standard way to check for connectivity over a TCP/IP network is by using the Ping command. It's easy enough - just open a DOS prompt, type in ping followed by a space and then the IP address. If you have a connection then it will ping a few times and show the time taken for the round trip (there and back) in milliseconds (mS). I'll ping the BBC and show you how that works but first I'll need to get the BBC's IP address. I have some software here where I enter the name of a website, in this case www.bbc.co.uk and it gives me the IP address which that corresponds to. The BBC's address is 212.58.224.81 so now I'm going to ping that and see if I can reach them from here.
1. Open a DOS window - Start - Run - type cmd (or command) in the dialog box.
You now have a DOS prompt:
2. Now type ping then a space and then the IP address
3. Now hit the return key and your computer will ping the IP address four or five times and it will list the results as it is doing that - Zone Alarm will intervene and ask if you want the program TCP/IP Ping to access the internet - it's ok to let it through, and you will see a result like this:
So I have just proved that my internet connection is working and I can access the internet and then beyond that, I can access the BBC webserver.
Now, the point of all that is that you will need to do something similar from your iPaq - i.e. ping through to the private IP address on your main PC - you will need to prove IP connectivity between the two before you can even think about using the main PC as a proxy, and that is the standard way to do it. And of course, I'm assuming you can obtain a DOS prompt on the iPaq.
Okay well that is IP addresses and establishing connectivity via the ping command, but now I'm thinking that you may need to install some proxy server software on your main PC. I run proxy software here but I use it for a different purpose so I'll need to have a think about it. I did mention that it could start to get a bit complicated eh. Oh and let me know if you don't follow any of that, and bear in mind that I have no idea what the iPaq operating system and interface even look like, so I'm working in the dark here on that side of things. ok didn't get any of this bit, and then subsequently the bits after. Prob cos I can't get the MS-dos thing on my handheld. As 4 what the operating system looks like I'll try and find a couple of pictures. Hang on Spy_Master100880
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Post by Steve on Aug 24, 2004 12:47:03 GMT -5
If you can't get a DOS prompt on the iPaq then not to worry - you can upload software onto there from your main PC, yes? If so then download a Ping utility - just search on Google for ping utility or ping software and you'll be able to download a little interface which you type the IP address into and it will, um, ping.
I have a few here but they all ping as part of much bigger net-tools packages - you just want a basic pinger, which you will find easily enough. I have to do some things right now but I'll have a look for one later if you haven't found one.
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Post by Spy_Master on Aug 25, 2004 12:58:46 GMT -5
I found one, I'll c if it works in a minute. Thanks Steve
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Post by Spy_Master on Oct 6, 2004 13:04:17 GMT -5
ok the one I found didn't work. So well I'm stuck, I was fiddleing 2nite and thought I'd cracked it but obviously I haven't or I'd be jumping up and down in joy. I don't know wot 2 do. I don't think it's possible
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Post by Steve on Oct 11, 2004 12:36:00 GMT -5
Hi SpyMaster. I should leave my typos in and then you would have been pyMaster, haha.
I'm just saying hi so you don't think I'm ignoring you. I haven't forgotten that I said I'd explain the e-mail address encryption, so I'll try to do that later this week. As for the iPaq connectivity, well I really don't know¿ I'll take another read through it (this thread) in a couple of days too, and see where we were up to.
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Post by sootycat on Oct 23, 2004 7:28:38 GMT -5
Help Steve, or anybody. I have just up-graded to Broadband, it's great apart from one thing. When I right click over a picture, even my own ( which I previously had no problem with ) I no longer get the property box what I get is this- Open Link Open link in New Window Save target As Print target Save picture as Copy Copy shortcut Add bookmark If I right click any where else, I can get the property box up. I'm totally perplexed over this. Help
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Post by Spy_Master on Oct 24, 2004 5:23:44 GMT -5
when I right click on any picture I get that menu like when your in notpad and you right click on a highlighted piece of text you get cut, copy, paste etc. Properties should be an option that you click on at the very bottom of the menu, if it's not I'm not sure what's going on. What browser do you have and what operating system?
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Post by sootycat on Oct 24, 2004 6:29:21 GMT -5
I have no problem whatever with copy and paste with text, I can also get a picture up with photobucket. I have BT Yahoo Broadband Version browser. I'm not sure about the operating system ( not very technical ) I'm begining to wish I'd stuck to dial-up With that I just right clicked, the clicked the property bar at the bottom.)
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